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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:26:00 -
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 Originally by: B1FF
Simple game theory dictates that no one will use it. There's no pay off.
The payoff is immersion.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 25/01/2008 16:54:03
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: B1FF
Simple game theory dictates that no one will use it. There's no pay off.
The payoff is immersion.
Immersion doesn't exist. It's a fictional idea that people think they want. It can't exist.
Turn your head to the right. What do you see?
Nothing in Eve exists. What's your point?
To my right I see a Mr Potato Head 'Trick or Tater'. I could explain what it's doing there but your head might explode.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Edited by: Adonis 4174 on 25/01/2008 16:54:03
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: B1FF
Simple game theory dictates that no one will use it. There's no pay off.
The payoff is immersion.
Immersion doesn't exist. It's a fictional idea that people think they want. It can't exist.
Turn your head to the right. What do you see?
Nothing in Eve exists. What's your point?
To my right I see a Mr Potato Head 'Trick or Tater'. I could explain what it's doing there but your head might explode.
Immersion doesn't exist. It's a fictional idea that people think they want. It can't exist.
You keep saying that and it keeps not being the case.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
First off you can see around the edges of the monitor.
Try reading up on the human eye. You only imagine you are seeing around the edges of the monitor. Your optic nerve lacks the required bandwidth to relay that much information.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.02.06 18:23:00 -
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What I see here is people using the word immersion to mean different things.
It is demonstrable that things in game feel real to people. The number of people who get mad over having their nonexistant internet spaceship blown apart proves this as do the number of people who laugh over the wrecks of others' nonexistant internet spaceships.
This is immersion, not forgetting that you're sitting at a keyboard but rather feeling that the items behind the screen actually exist between frames of animation and that the ship you left in a station is actually in that station even though you have no way of checking what is in that station currently.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tunak
They maybe angry because they just bought the ship.
No they didn't. A nonexistant character in a game moved some numbers around. Nothing was bought. The isk in your wallet is imaginary as is the ship you are flying. The fact that the imaginary number may have gone down when your imaginary ship got bigger doesn't make that anything more than an imaginary purchase.
Calling that buying is in itself a degree of immersion. To which extent B1FF's statement that there is no reward in Ambulation implies that he is also immersed since he perceives imaginary rewards as being actual rewards.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.02.07 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tunak
Originally by: Adonis 4174
What I see here is people using the word immersion to mean different things.
It is demonstrable that things in game feel real to people. The number of people who get mad over having their nonexistant internet spaceship blown apart proves this as do the number of people who laugh over the wrecks of others' nonexistant internet spaceships.
This is immersion, not forgetting that you're sitting at a keyboard but rather feeling that the items behind the screen actually exist between frames of animation and that the ship you left in a station is actually in that station even though you have no way of checking what is in that station currently.
Thought more bout this. Your saying any reaction is immersion. Thats wrong. Reaction and immersion are seperate.
Can you give an example of what you mean?
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.02.08 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tunak
Originally by: Adonis 4174
Originally by: Tunak
Originally by: Adonis 4174
What I see here is people using the word immersion to mean different things.
It is demonstrable that things in game feel real to people. The number of people who get mad over having their nonexistant internet spaceship blown apart proves this as do the number of people who laugh over the wrecks of others' nonexistant internet spaceships.
This is immersion, not forgetting that you're sitting at a keyboard but rather feeling that the items behind the screen actually exist between frames of animation and that the ship you left in a station is actually in that station even though you have no way of checking what is in that station currently.
Thought more bout this. Your saying any reaction is immersion. Thats wrong. Reaction and immersion are seperate.
Can you give an example of what you mean?
PvP is a game. It has a winner and a looser. If you win your happy. You react happy. If you loose your unhappy. You react unhappy. This is a normal reaction and not immersion. If you win at ping pong and get happy this is not immersion.
That analogy falls down when you look at how angry people often get at losing combat in Eve compared to losing at ping pong. The extra intensity comes from the immersion.
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